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economy and that pending fiscal cliff. are we going to go over the fiscal cliff? >> you know, i remain optimistic that there are enough people of good will in this town that recognize our economy will be much better off, american families will be much better off, if we get this done. the most important thing we can do is make sure the middle class taxes do not go up january 1st and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high income individuals. >> reporter: prediction. are you going to be able to raise taxes? yes or no? >> oh, taxes are going to go up one way or the other. >> reporter: oh, they are? >> and i think the key is to make sure the taxes go up on high end individuals like you and me, barbara. we can afford it. it is entirely possible for us to come up with a deal. but time is running short. >> reporter: the president sounded optimistic about avoiding the fiscal cliff. he said, of his meeting with speaker boehner, "i think the tone was good. i believe both speaker boehner and myself a
economy and that pending fiscal cliff. are we going to go over the fiscal cliff? >> you know, i remain optimistic that there are enough people of good will in this town that recognize our economy will be much better off, american families will be much better off, if we get this done. the most important thing we can do is make sure the middle class taxes do not go up january 1st and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts...
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but bernanke says the economy afeds more confidence now because of the uncertain fiscal cliff negotiations in unshington. and the harm from the fiscal cliff won't just happen in the enedre. bernanke said that's happening now. >> it's already affecting absiness investment and hiring decisions by creating uncertainty, or creating r:ssimism. ai saw what happened recently to consumer sentiment, which fell, tesumably in part because of concerns about the fiscal cliff. t reporter: the other main concern for the fed is inflation. but, scott, there's good news here. despite the trillions the fed eds pumped into economy, bernanke called the inflation tame, for now, projected 2%. elleelley: if the chairman of the fed is worried about the fiscal cliff there is nothing today that would have cheered ram up. a are less than two weeks away from the traditional prngressional holiday break, and noe republican speaker of the house and president obama seem no closer to a budget deal. as you know, if they don't come up with a spending compromise, most americans will see a hefty tax increase automatically on j
but bernanke says the economy afeds more confidence now because of the uncertain fiscal cliff negotiations in unshington. and the harm from the fiscal cliff won't just happen in the enedre. bernanke said that's happening now. >> it's already affecting absiness investment and hiring decisions by creating uncertainty, or creating r:ssimism. ai saw what happened recently to consumer sentiment, which fell, tesumably in part because of concerns about the fiscal cliff. t reporter: the other...
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when it comes to the fiscal cliff that is threatening our economy and jobs the white house has wastde another week. secretary gitener came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on and had more stimulus spending thanned the in cuts. and an indefinite increase in the debt limit like for ever. now four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there has been no count offer from the white house. instead reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate stradgeji to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code and cutting spending, the president wants to raise tax rates. but even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has got a spending problem, not a revenue problem. if the president doesn't agree with our proposal, i believe he's got an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a pl
when it comes to the fiscal cliff that is threatening our economy and jobs the white house has wastde another week. secretary gitener came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on and had more stimulus spending thanned the in cuts. and an indefinite increase in the debt limit like for ever. now four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there has been no count offer from the...
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. >> the longer the white house ze slow walks this process the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> reporter: mr. obama's new proposal lowered his request for tax revenue from $1.6 trillion in ten years to $1.4 trillion.trillion on tuesday the white house threw corporate tax reform into the mix, adding it to the already agreed upon push next year for reform of individual tax rates.dismisse boehner's described it as unrealistic and said the tax revenue was "a red herring." the top senate democrat doubted a fiscal cliff deal would be l cli wrapped in time for christmas. >> i think it's going to be extremely difficult to get it done before christmas. >> reporter: speaker boehner is meeting at this hour with house republicans. despite all the gloom the president said he remains confident a fiscal cliff deal will get done. charlie and norah? >> major garrett thank you. nancy pelosi leads the democratseads in the house of representatives. we're pleased to have her with this m us.good good morning. >> good morning. >> where are these negotiations? when they were bargaining over t
. >> the longer the white house ze slow walks this process the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> reporter: mr. obama's new proposal lowered his request for tax revenue from $1.6 trillion in ten years to $1.4 trillion.trillion on tuesday the white house threw corporate tax reform into the mix, adding it to the already agreed upon push next year for reform of individual tax rates.dismisse boehner's described it as unrealistic and said the tax revenue was "a red...
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the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> so obviously, republicans are trying to change the conversation from taxes to cuts. what do they want? >> well, they want entitlement reform and what we've seen is that the white house has moved a little bit. the president seems to be open to some form of entitlement reform, maybe not what john boehner wants, but they have said in the last couple of days that they will do corporate tax reform. so we are seeing some movement from the white house, but nothing yet from the house republicans. >> all right. john boehner just came to the microphone. he's just met with his caucus. let's see if he has anything new. >> -- the president's plan to avert the fiscal cliff still does not meet the two standards that i laid out the day after the election. his plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it's mainly tax hikes. and his plan does not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually increases spending. our plan meets these standards. it cuts spend
the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> so obviously, republicans are trying to change the conversation from taxes to cuts. what do they want? >> well, they want entitlement reform and what we've seen is that the white house has moved a little bit. the president seems to be open to some form of entitlement reform, maybe not what john boehner wants, but they have said in the last couple of days that they will do...
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, including obama care tax hikes and including fiscal cliff tax hikes. where's the largic of this position or is it just hypocritical sweetheart deal stuff? >> i don't agree it's a tax killer. the taxes are put into place that the sectors of health care benefit reform, insurers, hospital, medical device companies hoar going to see gain when you have 30 million americans going into the health care system that they also help keep the law sustainable. >> but, wait, i don't understand. we're talking about taxes. come back to the main point. the main point is why are these 18 democrats suddenly opposed to a job killing tax, particularly elizabeth warren, particularly al franken, who are two lefty liberals who love high taxes. is it because, a, they've seen the logic of supply side economics or, b, they're hypocrites because they're just trying to protect their own companies in their own states? >> they have the medical device lobby in their back yard, that's who they're listening to. if they don't want to do this tax, bits $30 billion over ten years to fund t
, including obama care tax hikes and including fiscal cliff tax hikes. where's the largic of this position or is it just hypocritical sweetheart deal stuff? >> i don't agree it's a tax killer. the taxes are put into place that the sectors of health care benefit reform, insurers, hospital, medical device companies hoar going to see gain when you have 30 million americans going into the health care system that they also help keep the law sustainable. >> but, wait, i don't understand....
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cliff. >>> and jpmorgan ceo, jamie dimon on the effect of the economy and fiscal cliff. stick around! >>> welcome back to "squawk b " box." the futures have been around 50, now 52 points. a look at the percentage move. not a lot. at least it is up and will be up for six straight days. you're very ingagnostic about a these things, overall we'd like prosperity to increase globally? >> absolutely. is that ever in doubt? with some places it is. >> in europe, does prosperity seem to be having a good century in europe? >> no. >> good decade? >> no. with the tail end of the feds 2-day interest meeting, feds are suspecting out-right asset purchases to replace "operation twist." has the fed run out of firepower. steve joins us on what to expect when we hear from them later on today. hey, steve. >> hi, michelle. the fed doesn't think it's run out of firepower although the market may have a different point of view. the big debate is how the fed replaces "operation twist." for background it's short term securities and buys long term securities in an effort to bring down long term in
cliff. >>> and jpmorgan ceo, jamie dimon on the effect of the economy and fiscal cliff. stick around! >>> welcome back to "squawk b " box." the futures have been around 50, now 52 points. a look at the percentage move. not a lot. at least it is up and will be up for six straight days. you're very ingagnostic about a these things, overall we'd like prosperity to increase globally? >> absolutely. is that ever in doubt? with some places it is. >> in...
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economy falls off the so-called fiscal cliff, house speaker john boehner says he and the president are still not close to reaching any kind of a deal. >> the president's plan to avert the fiscal cliff still does not meet the two standards that i laid out today after the election. his plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it's mainly tax hikes. and his plan does not begin o solve our debt crisis. it actually increases spending. the longer the white house slow walks this discussion, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff and the more american jobs are placed in jeopardy. >> gretchen: so with both sides still hung up over tax hikes and spending cuts, can they come it a consensus in time to avert going off the cliff? let's ask texas congressman jeb hensarling who joins me live this morning. good morning to you. >> good morning. how are you? >> gretchen: doing just fine, thank you so much. it's interesting because it appears from john boehner that the president isn't budging on the spending cuts. yet i want to point you in the direc
economy falls off the so-called fiscal cliff, house speaker john boehner says he and the president are still not close to reaching any kind of a deal. >> the president's plan to avert the fiscal cliff still does not meet the two standards that i laid out today after the election. his plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it's mainly tax hikes. and his plan does not begin o solve our debt crisis. it actually increases spending. the longer...
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host: how will the fiscal cliff negotiations affect you? will you lose benefits? caller: i will lose benefits at the end of december, and i will have to go on county assistance to see what they can do to help, but i would rather go back to work. i started picking work when i was 12 years old. host: what are you doing to prepare for the scenario? caller: i am trying to get my ged but i have always had a problem with education. guest: this is a huge issue. people like john are not at the negotiation table. it is tough to consider the full range of decisions. what we find time and time again is that the education and skills component of helping unemployed workers get back into the workforce is a big obstacle. we have 40 programs on the federal level to deal with that, but based on analysis out of rutgers university, is usually people that have been able to find their own education path and get their own skills and out of these government programs have been the most successful. that is a problematic dynamic. host: lisa is next from texas on the independent line. good
host: how will the fiscal cliff negotiations affect you? will you lose benefits? caller: i will lose benefits at the end of december, and i will have to go on county assistance to see what they can do to help, but i would rather go back to work. i started picking work when i was 12 years old. host: what are you doing to prepare for the scenario? caller: i am trying to get my ged but i have always had a problem with education. guest: this is a huge issue. people like john are not at the...
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we're going to have a fight on the fiscal cliff. another on the debt ceiling. it's destroying confident in the markets and what bothers me, larry, you know the subprime crisis hit like that. there was no warning. we could have another one like that. >> somebody has to control spending. i think the debt ceiling over a period of time is one way to do it. i'm sorry to you both. i have to get out of here. >> only roughly 800 billion apart. they can come together and solve it. >> i think the main tax -- >> for the good of the country. i'm probably not going to like the deal but that's probably what will happen. >> thank you so much. quick programming note. i will come to you life from our nation's capital tomorrow night as part of cnbc's special all day coverage. rise above, mission critical. now how do you like this scenario? the u.s. government using our tax money to build up an electric battery firm but after it fails the company sells out to a chinese outfit who takes advantage of our own taxpayer dollars. now producing for japan. there is something wrong with t
we're going to have a fight on the fiscal cliff. another on the debt ceiling. it's destroying confident in the markets and what bothers me, larry, you know the subprime crisis hit like that. there was no warning. we could have another one like that. >> somebody has to control spending. i think the debt ceiling over a period of time is one way to do it. i'm sorry to you both. i have to get out of here. >> only roughly 800 billion apart. they can come together and solve it. >> i...
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>> even the late night comics getting fed up with the fiscal cliff stuff. good morning, everybody. i'm brian sullivan and welcome to way too early. only 2 1/2 more shopping weeks left until christmas by the way. so do your duty, america, bring our economy back from the brink. we've got a lot to talk about on this wednesday, december 5th. thanks for joining us. including a shameful display of partisanship in congress that resulted in the voting down of a u.n. treaty aimed at spreading rights for disabled people. even the venerable bob dole could not bring both sides together on this one. also major unrest in egypt as 100,000 protesters stormed the palace in cairo forcing president morsi to flee. we'll update you on the situation there. but first our top story live here at 5:30 a.m. at 30 rock in new york city. and we begin with the latest on the rapidly approaching fiscal cliff deadline of automatic tax hikes on everybody and what appears to be a stalemate in the negotiations. in his first interview since the election, president obama reiterated his demand that any deal must raise t
>> even the late night comics getting fed up with the fiscal cliff stuff. good morning, everybody. i'm brian sullivan and welcome to way too early. only 2 1/2 more shopping weeks left until christmas by the way. so do your duty, america, bring our economy back from the brink. we've got a lot to talk about on this wednesday, december 5th. thanks for joining us. including a shameful display of partisanship in congress that resulted in the voting down of a u.n. treaty aimed at spreading...
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. >> as we continue to try to solve the fiscal cliff, the thing week of always continued to look at is our economy. wanting it to continue to grow. today in the whip's office we'll have small family-owned businesses in there talking about ways that we can protect the family business, continue to grow, while at the same time make sure we solve this fiscal cliff. look, each and every day, as we walk the halls, you continue to ask questions. you want the answers solving the fiscal cliff. we put an answer on the table. the president now has to engage. i think the next 72 hours are critical. if he sits back and continues to play politics, that will give you an answer of where we're going. this is an opportunity for this country to lead. this is an opportunity for the president to lead. >> at these fiscal cliff negotiations and debate continues, i think it's important to remember that washington doesn't have a revenue problem. it has a spending problem. and under this administration, under president obama, we have seen record deficits and a record debt accumulate and yet he keeps demanding t
. >> as we continue to try to solve the fiscal cliff, the thing week of always continued to look at is our economy. wanting it to continue to grow. today in the whip's office we'll have small family-owned businesses in there talking about ways that we can protect the family business, continue to grow, while at the same time make sure we solve this fiscal cliff. look, each and every day, as we walk the halls, you continue to ask questions. you want the answers solving the fiscal cliff. we...
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going over the "fiscal cliff" to most economists is really stupid. if it happens, we would go into a recession. >> reporter: and with no deal reached, who is to blame for all the this washington gridlock? just ask the american people. according to a new pugh research poll, 53% blame the republicans. 27% blame the president. we'll be watching. >> that's interesting, all those dollars that you just added up for california, multiply that by the other 49 states. >> reporter: it's a really scary thought. they have to solve this. >> grace lee, thank you. >>> a new study could change the current standard of care in breast cancer treatment. british researchers say that breast cancer patients who took tamoxifen for 10 years instead of the usual 5 were less likely to die from the disease. and less likely to have their cancer come back. >> if it's particularly in the second 10 years, that's very- ful i think for that group of women -- that's very helpful i think for that group of women who have been worrying until now. >> tamoxifen is a top breast cancer drug t
going over the "fiscal cliff" to most economists is really stupid. if it happens, we would go into a recession. >> reporter: and with no deal reached, who is to blame for all the this washington gridlock? just ask the american people. according to a new pugh research poll, 53% blame the republicans. 27% blame the president. we'll be watching. >> that's interesting, all those dollars that you just added up for california, multiply that by the other 49 states. >>...
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cbo has said that it would cause a recession if we were to go off the fiscal cliff. i do not dispute that i do point out that in 1993 when these taxes were first put in, many said they will cause a recession. they did not. the economy is improving on its own right now. and getting some much stronger. the impact of the fiscal cliff, while not something to be encouraged, may not be as bad as many have thought. and certainly is not worth making bad policy that will have much longer-range implications. the debt ceiling. the second issue. another kind of artificial date. it has been in law for decades. congress periodically has a partisan debate over whether to extend it. an interesting debate since there really is no option. you either extend it or you default. the fault should not be an option. it is something that should be avoided at all costs. but we put this critical date in there so we can have the debate, have a vote and then extend the debt ceiling as we know we have to. finally we have the issue of the debt and deficit in the long run. the issues of real importa
cbo has said that it would cause a recession if we were to go off the fiscal cliff. i do not dispute that i do point out that in 1993 when these taxes were first put in, many said they will cause a recession. they did not. the economy is improving on its own right now. and getting some much stronger. the impact of the fiscal cliff, while not something to be encouraged, may not be as bad as many have thought. and certainly is not worth making bad policy that will have much longer-range...
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the longer the white house slow walks this process the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. martha: so what is really going on in this negotiating right now? where are both sides? the white house continues to insist that it is republicans who have yet to offer any detailed proposal to themment when speaker john boehner comes to the microphone moments from now, in every one of these you can pick up a little bit of the tea leaves and figure out where this might be going. as soon as john boehner walks in front of that podium we'll want to listen to every word and see fit gives us any indication of where we are right now. bill: we are getting brand-new audio now of the police chatter inside of a busy mall in organ after a masked gunman opened fire. have a listen here. >> paramedics in here you want to get them out get them out. i'd say as many people out as possible. they are on their way out of the food court. that goes for guys that are uniformed officers, spread out. if you've got nothing to do then leave, please. >> i've got a witness at my location, where do i need to send
the longer the white house slow walks this process the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. martha: so what is really going on in this negotiating right now? where are both sides? the white house continues to insist that it is republicans who have yet to offer any detailed proposal to themment when speaker john boehner comes to the microphone moments from now, in every one of these you can pick up a little bit of the tea leaves and figure out where this might be going. as soon as john...
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economy and that pending fiscal cliff. are we going to go over the fiscal cliff? >> you know, i remain optimistic that there are enough people of good will in this town that recognize our economy will be much better off, american families will be much better off if we get this done. the most important thing we can do is make sure middle class taxes don't go up on january 1. and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high income individuals. >> prediction, are you going to be able to raise taxes, yes or no? >> taxes are going to go up one way or another. and i think the key is to make sure that taxes go up on the high end individuals like you and me, barbara. we can afford it. it is entirely possible for us to come up with a deal, but time is running short. >> how about this analysis. the obama administration wants to send a clear message that while it supports syria's coalition opposition, to lead syria's democratic transition when the assad regime falls, there is no place for extremism in the
economy and that pending fiscal cliff. are we going to go over the fiscal cliff? >> you know, i remain optimistic that there are enough people of good will in this town that recognize our economy will be much better off, american families will be much better off if we get this done. the most important thing we can do is make sure middle class taxes don't go up on january 1. and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for...
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. >> obviously i think all of us and all americans a resolution of this issue of the fiscal cliff so that people can live next year with a sense of predictability, with a sense that we can have a growing economy, and, frankly, peace in the world. >> and the place on this committee? >> i think it would be fun to do. >> i'll take that as a yes. >> senator lieberman. >> christmas and hanukkah. >> yes. >> what would i like from the president? that he pick the leadership he's been empowered with the election, bring the parties together beginning with speaker boehner and other leaders agree on a bipartisan package that will reduce debt, increase tax and cut increases on spending entitlements. that will do it and usher in a brilliant new period in america's economic history. >> sounds good. senator graham. >> three things, that the president would have -- >> this i thought we only had one. >> this is america youan have three the president will leave a force in afghanistan of 15 to 20 thousand to make sure the place doesn't fall back in to radical hands. that the people get behind syria and
. >> obviously i think all of us and all americans a resolution of this issue of the fiscal cliff so that people can live next year with a sense of predictability, with a sense that we can have a growing economy, and, frankly, peace in the world. >> and the place on this committee? >> i think it would be fun to do. >> i'll take that as a yes. >> senator lieberman. >> christmas and hanukkah. >> yes. >> what would i like from the president? that he...
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the markets will respond badly if we go over the fiscal cliff. foreign investors will respond badly if america goes over the fiscal cliff at the end of this year. there's a sense, i'm hearing, increasing pessimism among republicans that say we can't afford to have these kinds of talks, even the stalling process doesn't look good for the country. >> there's other incentives that are bringing both republicans, especially the white house, to the table with respect to the fiscal cliff. we did reporting on this. >> your bosom buddy. >> yeah, but there's stimulus the white house wants as a result of the fiscal cliff deal. they don't want to see a lapse, for instance, in the payroll tax cut. although they'd be fine with it being replaced by something else. unemployment insurance passed, infrastructure spending, those are incentives for the white house to cut a deal on the fiscal cliff as opposed to just going over it and saying, okay, we'll just take the, you know, sequester cuts and bush tax rates. >> that's right, and they were willing to do that in 2
the markets will respond badly if we go over the fiscal cliff. foreign investors will respond badly if america goes over the fiscal cliff at the end of this year. there's a sense, i'm hearing, increasing pessimism among republicans that say we can't afford to have these kinds of talks, even the stalling process doesn't look good for the country. >> there's other incentives that are bringing both republicans, especially the white house, to the table with respect to the fiscal cliff. we did...
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the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. here's what we do know. we know that the president wants more stimulus spending and an increase in the debt limit without any cuts or reforms. that's not fixing our problem, frankly, it's making it worse. and on top of that, the president wants to raise tax rates on many small business owners. now, even if we did exactly what the president wants, we would see red ink for as far as the eye can see. that's not fixing our problem either, it's making it worse, and it's hurting our economy. i think the members know i'm an optimist. i'm hopeful that we can reach an agreement. this is a serious issue, and and there's a lot at stake. the american people sent us here to work together towards the best possible solution, and that means cutting spending. now, if the president doesn't agree with our approach, he's got an obligation to put forward a plan that can pass both chambers of the congress. was right now -- because right now the american people have to be scratching their heads and wonderin
the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. here's what we do know. we know that the president wants more stimulus spending and an increase in the debt limit without any cuts or reforms. that's not fixing our problem, frankly, it's making it worse. and on top of that, the president wants to raise tax rates on many small business owners. now, even if we did exactly what the president wants, we would see red ink for as far as the eye can...
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he said, no, it's a fiscal can cliff because the economy will hit a brick wall if there is not a deal in january. he says it is not hype. >> he's basically saying if we go over the fiscal cliff, if these lawmakers and white house doesn't make a deal, it could lead to a recession? >> that >> reporter: that's right. we could hit another recession if we go over the fiscal cliff. >>> shoppers that dive for cover as a gunman opens for cover in an oregon mall. we're going to give you the latest details, including the newly released identity of the man. >>> internet pioneer john mcafee is on his way back to the united states. kate bolduan is monitoring that story and others. >> guatemala officials escorted him to the airport and he boarded the plane to miami after a deportation order from guatemala. he is wanted for questioning in belize over the death of a neighbor. we've been following his story pretty closely. mcafee was held in guatemala for a week. he made his fortune from the anti-virus software that bears his name. >>> also, jacob tyler roberts was the lone gunman in the shooting at t
he said, no, it's a fiscal can cliff because the economy will hit a brick wall if there is not a deal in january. he says it is not hype. >> he's basically saying if we go over the fiscal cliff, if these lawmakers and white house doesn't make a deal, it could lead to a recession? >> that >> reporter: that's right. we could hit another recession if we go over the fiscal cliff. >>> shoppers that dive for cover as a gunman opens for cover in an oregon mall. we're going...
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there were two objectives as we approached the at fiscal cliff. number one, to accelerate what remains a fragile economy and put more people back to work. no. 2,, with a balanced approach to long-term deficit reduction. we have to deal with long-term deficit reduction for long-term economic growth, and a balanced plan means a mixture of cuts and revenue. remembering that we have already agreed to over $1 trillion in cuts, which have to be implemented over the next 10 years, but on top of that, the president has proposed additional cuts along with revenue from high-income individuals. his plan has been out there. it has been on the internet. people keep asking for specifics, but the reality is that it is there. at the democratic convention, when i made my remarks, i held up a copy of this plan to remind people that is not that the president doesn't have a plan, is that our republican colleagues may not like it. but it is there. >> you are experienced with this, you were on the super committee. what is the practical deadline for the formulation of a
there were two objectives as we approached the at fiscal cliff. number one, to accelerate what remains a fragile economy and put more people back to work. no. 2,, with a balanced approach to long-term deficit reduction. we have to deal with long-term deficit reduction for long-term economic growth, and a balanced plan means a mixture of cuts and revenue. remembering that we have already agreed to over $1 trillion in cuts, which have to be implemented over the next 10 years, but on top of that,...
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cliff. republicans want a melt on xwiemtment and tax reform from the president. democrats insist this will not happen until the gop agrees on a tax hike. senator dick durbin saying no deal on the debt without a tax hike of the wealthy. >> i can't tell you, i don't want to do it, the president doesn't want to do it, but we need to solve the problem been we cannot allow the reckless position to drive this economy into another recession. >> some suggesting that it might be better to cave to the president now on taxes and keep up the fight on spending. >> if we were to pass, for instance, raising the top two rate and that's it, all of a sudden we do have the leverage of the debt ceiling and we haven't given that up. >> meantime, one influential voice says enough is enough. >> that's like betting your country. there's something terribly bizarre and juvenile about that is to think your party comes ahead of your country. i don't go for that at all. >> that, of course, was alan simpson, the other ha
cliff. republicans want a melt on xwiemtment and tax reform from the president. democrats insist this will not happen until the gop agrees on a tax hike. senator dick durbin saying no deal on the debt without a tax hike of the wealthy. >> i can't tell you, i don't want to do it, the president doesn't want to do it, but we need to solve the problem been we cannot allow the reckless position to drive this economy into another recession. >> some suggesting that it might be better to...
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that is the model for this fiscal cliff discussion, making both the cuts and the reforms that are real and credible and politically difficult to reverse. that is the only signal we can send. it is the right signal to send to investors that we're serious about getting our financial house in order. chairman, thank you. this is your last committee meeting and you will be missed. >> going back to the analogy of the avalanche, when we had the subprime crisis, and there was no warning. likewise, we did have the same type of avalanche come tomorrow. there is no more confidence, nobody buys are debt. we would have increased interest rates and huge economic problem. we have two things in front of us. not only the fiscal slope, but also the debt ceiling. treasury estimates at the end -- we have until the end of february. in solving it, would be better to put the debt ceiling in the package with the fiscal slope for a comprehensive solution? or would it be better to do them separately? >> they should be done together. this will not work if we break this thing apart. we need to scale back the clif
that is the model for this fiscal cliff discussion, making both the cuts and the reforms that are real and credible and politically difficult to reverse. that is the only signal we can send. it is the right signal to send to investors that we're serious about getting our financial house in order. chairman, thank you. this is your last committee meeting and you will be missed. >> going back to the analogy of the avalanche, when we had the subprime crisis, and there was no warning....
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up to the fiscal cliff. doing that puts our jobs and the country in danger. it jeopardize is a golden opportunity to make 2013 the year that we enact fundamental tax reform and entitlement reform to begin to solve our country's debt problem and revenue problem. as you can see, real revenue growth is critically important as long as real cuts in spending if we're going to solve our long-term fiscal problems. the election was not a mandate to raise taxes on small businesses. it was a mandate for both parties to work together to take on the big challenges that our country is facing. republicans are ready and eager to do just that. we made a reasonable offer, and is now up to the white house to show us how they are going to cut spending and give us the balanced agreement that the president has talked about for weeks. the president will step up and show us he is willing to make the cuts that are needed, we can do some real good in the days ahead. if not, he wants to keep chasing higher spending with higher taxes,
up to the fiscal cliff. doing that puts our jobs and the country in danger. it jeopardize is a golden opportunity to make 2013 the year that we enact fundamental tax reform and entitlement reform to begin to solve our country's debt problem and revenue problem. as you can see, real revenue growth is critically important as long as real cuts in spending if we're going to solve our long-term fiscal problems. the election was not a mandate to raise taxes on small businesses. it was a mandate for...
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below that, governors say the fiscal cliff would hurt their states' economies. several governors met at the white house yesterday and with political leaders to say something needs to be done or their economies and on the state level will be heard. -- be hurt. let's go to walter in new jersey, independent caller. good morning. caller: good morning. i don't know what's wrong with these people, because they have to come to some kind of agreement. the gop has to give ground, taxes wouldybody's go up just to save 2%. it just does not cut it. it is a bad move politically and bad for the country. host: polloi in johnsonville, virginia. -- floyd. caller: i was thinking about the fiscal cliff. i don't think that's the problem at. the problem is when we fell off the moral cliff. our president said gay marriage was ok. and america killing so many babies. side,e get back on god's everything else will take care of itself. that's the way it is. a guy said it seemed like christians are down and out. let me tell you, christians are the happiest people there is, because we have
below that, governors say the fiscal cliff would hurt their states' economies. several governors met at the white house yesterday and with political leaders to say something needs to be done or their economies and on the state level will be heard. -- be hurt. let's go to walter in new jersey, independent caller. good morning. caller: good morning. i don't know what's wrong with these people, because they have to come to some kind of agreement. the gop has to give ground, taxes wouldybody's go...
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quantitative easing, the economy and the fiscal cliff. don't miss "squawk box" starting tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] the mercedes-benz winter event is back, with the perfect vehicle that's just right for you, no matter which list you're on. [ santa ] ho, ho, ho, ho! [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 c250 for $349 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. you won't just find us online, you'll also find us in person, with dedicated support teams at over 500 branches nationwide. so when you call or visit, you can ask for a name you know. because personal service starts with a real person. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. our support teams are nearby, ready to help. it's no wonder so many investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. >>> welcome back to "squawk box." this morning in the headlines, we're about an hour away from a flood of economic data. november retail sales, producer price index and weekly jobless claims set to hit the tape at 8:30 eastern. also jui
quantitative easing, the economy and the fiscal cliff. don't miss "squawk box" starting tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] the mercedes-benz winter event is back, with the perfect vehicle that's just right for you, no matter which list you're on. [ santa ] ho, ho, ho, ho! [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 c250 for $349 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. you won't just find us online, you'll also find us in person, with dedicated support teams...
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the best thing we can do for business confidence is produce a compromise that averts the fiscal cliff and achieves a broad-based, balanced deficit reduction package that helps our economy grow and helps it continue to create jobs. the ups and downs that always take place in negotiations like these i think are probably not all that conducive to creating certainty because as you've seen from the variety of rumors that come out, one hour it's the talks are over, there's no progress. the next hour is there's progress and a lot of tea leaf reading. i don't think having me party in that kind of speculation probably doesn't help the process. and like i said, i really understand there's great interest in this. not just in this room but around the country. and we all here appreciate that and this is important. and it's because it's important that we believe it's most helpful to the process, to try to let those who are working on these challenges and trying to reach a compromise work with as much -- with the ability to focus on that work rather than the kind of conversation on the outside as mu
the best thing we can do for business confidence is produce a compromise that averts the fiscal cliff and achieves a broad-based, balanced deficit reduction package that helps our economy grow and helps it continue to create jobs. the ups and downs that always take place in negotiations like these i think are probably not all that conducive to creating certainty because as you've seen from the variety of rumors that come out, one hour it's the talks are over, there's no progress. the next hour...
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turning to the republicans' fiscal cliff proposal, where is the white house talked about the $1.40 trillion in revenue, republicans are talking about its $800 billion in revenue. if you also see help savings and other mandatory savings, discretionary savings, and some revisions to the consumer price index of $200 billion. david is a republican. welcome. caller: i think you mean michigan. host: i do. guest: hi. caller: i disagree with you greatly. guest: that's what makes it a great country. caller: in michigan we are experiencing a lot of violence from your constituents. when our tea party members went to washington and protested, and you tried every way in the book to find something wrong in what we were doing. most of what we did was to sit there and say the rosary or pray or hold a sign up and protest. your constituents are threatening my life when i walk to say my point of view. but don't hold signs of protest or say prayers. paper and lives. threaten people's lives. when i was helping to break a strike in connecticut, we were designing the u.s.s. trenton submarines and i was breaking t
turning to the republicans' fiscal cliff proposal, where is the white house talked about the $1.40 trillion in revenue, republicans are talking about its $800 billion in revenue. if you also see help savings and other mandatory savings, discretionary savings, and some revisions to the consumer price index of $200 billion. david is a republican. welcome. caller: i think you mean michigan. host: i do. guest: hi. caller: i disagree with you greatly. guest: that's what makes it a great country....
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the longer the white house slow-walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> nobody should trust democrats to put a dime until real deficit reductions. >> reporter: to better understand the gop positioning, remember what any reduction deficit looks like drawn from two different pots of money. first, tax revenue. second, spending cuts likely to center on changes to entitlements like medicare. on revenues, republicans already conceded to tax increases for the wealthy. the big sticking point is what kind and how much. since that is angering many on the right who oppose any tax increases, republicans want democrats to take the heat for entitlement cuts by proposing them first so republicans don't face the wrath of seniors, too. remember this 2011 ad depicting paul ryan throwing granny off the cliff? the white house says it's republicans who haven't offered specifics and the president has. >> very specific spending cuts, including savings in entitlement programs. again, i -- it's not a mystery. we've seen this before. this is the document. >> reporter: that docu
the longer the white house slow-walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> nobody should trust democrats to put a dime until real deficit reductions. >> reporter: to better understand the gop positioning, remember what any reduction deficit looks like drawn from two different pots of money. first, tax revenue. second, spending cuts likely to center on changes to entitlements like medicare. on revenues, republicans already conceded to tax increases for...
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way this month due to the national health care law no matter what happens with the fiscal cliff. that is coming. what it will cost you. bill: hello, old man winter. he is out there and he is acoming. a major blizzard raging across the midwest bringing record levels of snow. it is de10th, right? martha: it is time. bill: so who is next? ♪ . martha: old man winter, a major storm is pounding parts of the upper midwest, unleashing record levels of snowfall. that's a lot out there. high winds, frigid air. minnesota of course very used to this kind of weather this time of year but even this is really out of the ordinary. reporter tom halden with our minneapolis affiliate ksft. he is driving, i don't know if i recommend that. there he is. he is out of the car. how bad is it out there? >> reporter: well, martha, it is really cold. we have been driving around the twin city roads this morning. we've been streaming and thought, you know what? it is 12 degrees. we have a full foot of snow on the ground. the kids are out of school, a lot of them, why not hop out of the car and let you guys
way this month due to the national health care law no matter what happens with the fiscal cliff. that is coming. what it will cost you. bill: hello, old man winter. he is out there and he is acoming. a major blizzard raging across the midwest bringing record levels of snow. it is de10th, right? martha: it is time. bill: so who is next? ♪ . martha: old man winter, a major storm is pounding parts of the upper midwest, unleashing record levels of snowfall. that's a lot out there. high winds,...
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the other day, we were talking about the fiscal cliff. and you tell us it will be really, really bad. why does the market keep going up? >> everyone thinks they will fix it. in the market, the question, what will the top rate be for the highest earners. 37%? the market says there will be a deal and lower corporate tax rates. if there isn't a deal, after the first of the year, a big stock market sell-off. >> we'll talk about the 20 days left to the fiscal cliff, straight ahead. >>> still ahead, a prominent republican now officially a democrat. we'll take a closer look at why former florida governor charlie crist left the gop behind. he'll join us to talk about that. >>> and the hit reality show "storage wars," by the way, i love that show. is it fake? what one star is saying. say it ain't so. that in a moment. mmmm. [ female announcer ] make new traditions with pillsbury grands! cinnamon rolls. [ sniffs ] i took dayquil but my nose is still runny. [ male announcer ] truth is, dayquil doesn't treat that. really? [ male announcer ] alka-selt
the other day, we were talking about the fiscal cliff. and you tell us it will be really, really bad. why does the market keep going up? >> everyone thinks they will fix it. in the market, the question, what will the top rate be for the highest earners. 37%? the market says there will be a deal and lower corporate tax rates. if there isn't a deal, after the first of the year, a big stock market sell-off. >> we'll talk about the 20 days left to the fiscal cliff, straight ahead....
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i think the president and the democrats have two objects as we approach the fiscal cliff. number one, we're trying to accelerate what remains a fragile economy. number two, come up with a balanced approach to long-term deficit reduction. we have to deal with the long-term deficit reduction for a long-term economic growth. a balanced plan means a mix of cuts in revenue. we already agreed to over a trillion dollars in cuts but on top of that, the president proposed additional cuts along with high-income individuals. his plan has been out there, it's on the internet. i know people are asking for specifics, but the reality it is there. in fact, when i made my remark i held up a copy of his plan to remind people it is not that the president doesn't have a plan, it's that our republican colleagues may not like it but it is there. so with that i will -- >> let's go around the table. so you're experienced in this, what is the practical deadline for the formulation of a deal, kind of a rough outline if you want to get it done before the year runs out? >> before the end of the year?
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as we are concerned about the fiscal cliff and a slowdown in the world's economy and in asia and in europe. so these are the three factors that have come together to give us a sustained drop in the price of gasoline almost over the last three weeks, wolf. >> is this a short-term development? what's in store over the longer term? >> we're into that lower driving season. obviously, spring and summer are bigger driving seasons. you'll see a pickup in demand when we get back into spring. that typically happens. a lot of it depends on the price of oil. that depends on what happens in the world economy. there are two things happening. one is the fiscal cliff. and the recession in europe. if things continue to slow down economically, we'll see less demand for gasoline. if there's more tension in the middle east, we'll see higher prices for oil. those are two things that could affect the price of oil, which will affect the price of gasoline. one thing to remember, that over the last ten years or so, wolf, demand for gasoline has started to drop off, as cars have become more efficient and as we've
as we are concerned about the fiscal cliff and a slowdown in the world's economy and in asia and in europe. so these are the three factors that have come together to give us a sustained drop in the price of gasoline almost over the last three weeks, wolf. >> is this a short-term development? what's in store over the longer term? >> we're into that lower driving season. obviously, spring and summer are bigger driving seasons. you'll see a pickup in demand when we get back into...
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. >>> and president obama and house speaker boehner mum on fiscal cliff negotiations. and a sign that a deal could be near. >>> new world order, the economy growing at an enormous rate in china, and in a few years it will surpass the u.s. what it means, coming up. >>> dozens of homes damaged in the south, ripping off roofs and damaging trees. more to come. stamp watch, straight ahead. >>> lots to talk about this morning. the next two hours, we'll talk with steve israel. jeff sessions, sandy levin, rahm emanuel and businessman javier paolomarez, ed burns, frankie monday easy, and chuck leavell. "starting point" begins right now. welcome, everybody. "starting point" this morning, angry, united. bracing for protests in michigan as the state is poised to become the most unionized right to work state. as many as 10,000 unionized workers expected at the state capitol to voice their disapproval of the measure. some of them teachers, two detroit area school districts shut down for the day as hundreds of teachers plan to join the protest. president obama brought it up during a
. >>> and president obama and house speaker boehner mum on fiscal cliff negotiations. and a sign that a deal could be near. >>> new world order, the economy growing at an enormous rate in china, and in a few years it will surpass the u.s. what it means, coming up. >>> dozens of homes damaged in the south, ripping off roofs and damaging trees. more to come. stamp watch, straight ahead. >>> lots to talk about this morning. the next two hours, we'll talk with...
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she was talking about about solutions to avert the fiscal cliff. if if you look at how we got here, nothing gets resolved out of washington, it's an abyss that doesn't need to happen. if you just go back and look at the promises made by poth because massachusetts when he was running for office, when he was running for re-election, he talked about working across the aisle he talked about bipartisan solutions he talked about it a lot and the american people expected that the president would keep that promise. but before the ink was even dry, before some of the states had confirmed and finalized their vote totals for this last election, the president comes out with a hyper partisan solution that's his approach. when the president comes out with his plan to raise taxes on some, not renew ores, to threaten middle class families with a tax increase if some people don't get their taxes raised, there already was a bipartisan solution to avert this cliff. just a few months ago, here in this house, we passed a bill with 19 democrat votes. a strong bipartisan
she was talking about about solutions to avert the fiscal cliff. if if you look at how we got here, nothing gets resolved out of washington, it's an abyss that doesn't need to happen. if you just go back and look at the promises made by poth because massachusetts when he was running for office, when he was running for re-election, he talked about working across the aisle he talked about bipartisan solutions he talked about it a lot and the american people expected that the president would keep...
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the thing that's depressing about the fiscal cliff plan, we will change the tax code, change this, a tax on gas to help the energy industry, all this stuff has receded into the mist and all we're trying to do is get a deal and be done with this. it is sad. in the beginning of a second term, you should be trying to do big things. >> politics often gets in the way. these guys agree behind closed doors what should be done but nobody wants to step out on the ledge and say it publicly. >> right. you have a polarized congress. at this point, both sides think the other side is not on the level and they're interested in taking the partisan political position than accomplishing a bipartisan result. the good thing is high skilled immigrants. hard not to find someone on both sides that don't think you should allow folks that have expertise in science and technology into the country. instead of doing it, both sides use it as a lever in the immigration debate and keeps getting spooled up inside that debate and nothing gets done. >> haven't the republicans been passing it through the house and dem
the thing that's depressing about the fiscal cliff plan, we will change the tax code, change this, a tax on gas to help the energy industry, all this stuff has receded into the mist and all we're trying to do is get a deal and be done with this. it is sad. in the beginning of a second term, you should be trying to do big things. >> politics often gets in the way. these guys agree behind closed doors what should be done but nobody wants to step out on the ledge and say it publicly....